Showing posts with label No-fly list. Show all posts
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Wednesday, December 16, 2015

Kurt Russell blasts gun control push: “I think it’s absolutely insane”

Kurt Russell blasts gun control push: “I think it’s absolutely insane”

POSTED AT 10:01 AM ON DECEMBER 11, 2015 BY ED MORRISSEY

When reporters want to discuss firearm policies with Kurt Russell, they’d better bring a better game than the hapless Jeffrey Wells managed. While promoting the new Quentin Tarantino film Hateful 8, Russell got into an extended exchange with Wells, in which the latter derided gun rights as “a totem… for disenfranchised white guys,” and urged Russell to consider the possibility that people on the no-fly list could buy firearms. Russell rips the reporter for believing that people who want to kill others will refrain from doing so because Congress passed a law against it (via The Blaze):

When Wells went on to say that guns are a ”metaphor that disenfranchised white guys need,” Russell let loose.
“If you think gun control is going to change the terrorists’ point of view, I think you’re, like, out of your mind,” he began. “I think anybody [who says that] is. I think it’s absolutely insane.”
“Dude, you’re about to find out what I’m gonna do, and that’s gonna worry you a lot more,” the actor continued. “And that‘s what we need. That will change the concept of gun culture, as you call it, to something [like] reality. Which is, if I’m a hockey team and I’ve got some guy bearing down on me as a goal tender, I’m not concerned about what he’s gonna do — I’m gonna make him concerned about what I’m gonna do to stop him. That’s when things change.”
Arguing back, Wells invoked the no-fly list, saying that the people on the list are there for a “good reason,” but that they can allegedly still “get [a] hold of a gun pretty easily.”
“They can also make a bomb pretty easily. So what?” Russell retorted. “They can also get knives and stab you. [What are you] gonna do about that? They can also get cars and run you over. [What are you] gonna do about that?”
What exactly is the thought process on this? If we make gun purchases illegal, the bad guys won’t be able to get their hands on them? How has that worked out in Chicago or Washington DC?
Wells regurgitates the no-fly list nonsense, apparently without discovering that no one in these attacks was on a no-fly list in the first place. Maybe he should have watched Josh Earnest’s dancing around that reality yesterday:
Mr. Obama has called on Congress to ban semiautomatic “assault” rifles and to ban people who are on the government’s “no-fly” terrorist watch list from purchasing guns. Mr. Earnest said Thursday that he isn’t aware of any perpetrators of mass shootings in the U.S. who were on the no-fly list.

Earnest says that it’s just common sense to allow the government to decide who’s too dangerous to buy a gun, but as I explained in my column at The Week, this proposes stripping a constitutional right without any due process. And even Earnest can’t explain how that would have prevented any attacks:
Nothing requires the federal government to actually charge people on this list. Nor are there requirements to remove people even if they have been acquitted of charges relating to terrorism, as The Intercept discovered when they acquired the procedure manual for the no-fly list. “The rulebook justifies this by noting that conviction in U.S. courts requires evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, whereas watchlisting requires only a reasonable suspicion,” Jeremy Scahill and Ryan Devereaux reported. “Once suspicion is raised, even a jury’s verdict cannot erase it.” …
And for what purpose? Which of the terrorist attacks cited by Obama in his speech — which included two he had never before acknowledged as such, the Fort Hood shooting and the Chattanooga attack on a military recruiting office — would a no-fly gun ban have prevented? None of them. None of the suspects were on the no-fly list. Farook and Malik flew last year with no problems, and Fort Hood terrorist Nidal Hasan was still in the Army. In fact, even after Russia warned the FBI about Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2011, the U.S. allowed him to fly to Russia and back in 2012.
In other words, the no-fly list is not just unconstitutional, it’s also a red herring. Democrats want to change the subject from the failure of this administration to prevent these attacks. When government feels the need to strip Americans of their constitutional rights — including the right to bear arms — they should prove their case in court while allowing for full due process. That is precisely why our founders wrote the Constitution in the first place: to protect a free people against the whimsy of tyrants.
If the government believes these people too dangerous to exercise their constitutional rights, then charge them with crimes and bring them to trial. In the absence of any evidence that (a) this would have prevented terrorist attacks in the past and (b) that it would prevent terrorist attacks in the future or even necessarily change their choice of weapons, it’s nothing more than a red herring to change the subject from terrorism to gun control.
Update, 12/14: Many thanks to the Drudge Report for the link, and welcome to Drudge readers!

Saturday, June 29, 2013

Federal Judge None Too Impressed With Government’s Defense Of Its ‘No Fly’ List

  • Editor's note: Should those involved with "Elder Cleansing" or miscreants participating in the "Judicial-Nursing Home Complex" be included on the "No Fly" list.  They are dangerous to the "over 65 population". Lucius Verenus, Schoolmaster, ProbateSharks.com
  • 28 Jun 2013 at 3:31 PM
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  • Federal Judge None Too Impressed With Government’s Defense Of Its ‘No Fly’ List


    The top secret “No-Fly” list has been problematic since day one. The DHS and FBI apparently believe over 20,000 people are too dangerous to allow to board a plane but not dangerous enough to arrest.
    This is the process the government follows to place would-be travelers on the no-fly list.
    1. The government places a person on the no-fly list.
    That’s all there is to it. The list is too “sensitive” to publish and exposing its methodology would apparently result in airliners raining down around us.
    If you’re a lucky recipient of the “no-fly” designation, here’s how you’re informed of your new status…

    1. Purchase a ticket and attempt to travel.
    2. Be rebuffed by TSA personnel.
    This process can sometimes be applied with more flexibility.
    1. Purchase a roundtrip ticket and fly to a foreign destination.
    2. Attempt to return home.
    3. Be rebuffed by local customs/security officials.
    You won’t know you’re on The List until the list is triggered, which could happen when you’re a few thousand miles from home. And if you think you’re boarding the next boat back to the US, think again. The list is also “no-sail,” meaning passenger ships are out of the question.
    Now, if you’re on the list and wish to be removed or, at the very least, informed of why you’ve been banned from commercial airline travel, there’s no reason to panic. The DHS has a resolution process that relies very heavily on “process” and skips the “resolution” completely.
    Their only recourse is to file a request with the Department of Homeland Security’s “Traveler Redress Inquiry Program,” after which DHS responds with a letter that does not explain why they were denied boarding. The letter does not confirm or deny whether their names remain on the No Fly List, and does not indicate whether they can fly. The only way for a person to find out if his or her name was removed from the No Fly List is to buy a plane ticket, go to the airport, see if he or she can get on the flight – taking the risk of being denied boarding and marked as a suspected terrorist, and losing the cost of the airline ticket.
    One wonders what a letter that answers no questions and explains nothing is supposed to “redress.”
    Dear Sir/Madam No Fly,
    Thank you for expressing an interest in our Traveler Redress Inquiry Program. The Department of Homeland Security works in conjunction with all domestic airports, as well as those in 22 other nations worldwide, in order to provide you with a safe traveling experience. We hope that you will continue to make use of our products and services.
    Thank you again for your support.
    If you have additional comments or questions, please dial (202) 282-8495.
    Sincerely,
    The Department of Homeland Security
    This decade-long lack of specifics or actual redress has led to the ACLU suing the federal government on the behalf of thirteen no-fly list members.
    Thirteen people on the no-fly list have sued the U.S. government, arguing that their placement deprives them of due process and smears their reputation by branding them as terrorists. Several of the men who filed suit have been surrounded at airport security areas, detained and interrogated.
    The suit seeks to either remove the plaintiffs from the no-fly list or tell them why they are on it.
    Government attorney Scott Risner addressed these complaints by arguing that air travel is not a “right” but a “convenience.”
    Risner said placement on the list doesn’t stop people from traveling, and stopping people from using one mode of travel doesn’t deprive them of their liberty. That’s a key question in determining whether the government must ensure due process and one that’s at the heart of the constitutionality of being placed on the list.
    “We’re not suggesting that there’s not a convenience in air travel,” Risner said. “(But) there’s no right to travel without impediments. That’s what’s happening here.
    Risner went so far as to point out that those stranded by sudden inclusion on the no fly list had made it back to the US via alternate forms of travel, thus “proving” a lack of air travel isn’t preventing traveling.
    Unfortunately for Risner, Judge Anna J. Brown wasn’t buying it.
    “To call it ‘convenience’ is marginalizing their argument,” Brown said. [She] said alternatives to flying are significantly more expensive. “It’s hugely time-consuming, and who knows what impediments there are between the Port of Portland and other countries.”
    She also pointed out that sea and land travel options aren’t suitable replacements for flying, especially when time is of the essence and that the government’s argument “fails to take into account the realities of modern life.”
    The DHS and FBI would obviously like everything to proceed the way it has for years, which means convincing the judge that flying isn’t a fundamental right. This removes the question of constitutionality, as least as far as flight restrictions go.
    The ACLU has gone further, though, declaring the entire system to be screwed up.
    “We’re asking the court to finally put a check on the government’s use of a blacklist that denies Americans the ability to fly without giving them the explanation or fair hearing that the Constitution requires. It’s a question of basic fairness,” said ACLU Staff Attorney Nusrat Choudhury, one of the ACLU attorneys who will argue the case Friday in Portland. “It does not make our country safer to ban people from flying without giving them an after-the-fact redress process that allows them to correct the errors that led to their mistaken inclusion on the list.”
    It also points out that issuance of notice and due process are required for much less far-reaching actions.
    The ACLU argues that this system violates the Fifth Amendment’s command that the government cannot deprive a person of liberty “without due process of law.” Courts have ruled that the Constitution requires some kind of notice and hearing for far less severe actions, such as losing state assistance for utility bills or being suspended from school for 10 days.
    Judge Brown hasn’t said when she’ll issue a ruling, but so far she seems less than impressed with the government’s arguments. In the meantime, 20,000 people, including the 13 US citizens represented here (four of which are military veterans), are still stuck in War on Terror limbo — unofficially “detained” in the US by secretive travel restrictions.
    Federal Judge None Too Impressed With Government’s Defense Of Its ‘No Fly’ List
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